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Juganort 15th May 2012 09:58 AM

Treyarch defends lack of new game engine
Hi all,

Treyarch has come out overnight defending the use of the original Black Ops game engine, you can see the full story and others below.

What do you guys think? Personally I think if it aint broke, dont fix it. Except maybe the hit registration from BO :p Hopefully a few tweaks here and there will improve it, and not ruin it.

Call of Duty: Black Ops 2 new and improved graphics are a result of Treyarch pushing themselves, and the current game engine to achieve the goals of the development team.
While many have called for Activision to invest in a new graphics engine to spruce up Call of Duty's visuals, Treyarch's studio head Mark Lamia insisted that a new engine isn't needed to improve Black Ops 2's graphics over previous games in the series.
"People always ask me, 'Is this a new engine?' Lamia told One of Swords. "I liken it to people who live in an older house that has been remodeled. Just because you're remodeling the house and it will look new or it will have a new kitchen, you don't tear out the foundation, or break out some of the framing. You might even go as hardcore as replacing the plumbing, and we will do that sort of thing, as an analogy. It's a gross simplification, but it's one way to say that. There's a lot of good still in that foundation that you wouldn't get rid of, and we don't. We look to advance in the areas that support our game design.
"Engines, each time they get touched, they change. The creators alter them; they don't modify what they don't need to, and then they alter what they need to. You can't make a competitive product if you're not upgrading that engine along the way," Lamia explained.
He continued: "I think the whole thing about a new engine... sometimes that's a great buzzword. Well, I have a new graphics engine - is that a new engine? Where does it start and stop? Elements of the code, you can trace back for a very, very long time... but whole parts of the code are entirely new. Two areas we did focus on for this game were the graphics and the lighting - a pretty significant amount of work is going into that."
When Black Ops 2 was announced earlier this month, Activision promised a "visual overhaul" with graphical upgrades. While I personally didn't notice anything in the trailer (maybe because of the constant explosions being forced down my throat), early hands-on time with the game suggest all sorts of new lighting and texturing in Black Ops 2 - all running at Call of Duty's signature 60 frames per second.
"I think what people are asking for is for us to push," Lamia added. "They want us to make a better-looking game; they want things. I don't think those are things people can't ask for. We asked ourselves that very same question - we wanted to advance the graphics. I think the questions are valid. The answer may not need to be an entirely new engine, but you might need to do an entire overhaul of your entire lighting system."
"The trick is, we're not willing to do that if we can't keep it running at 60 frames per second - but we did that this time," Lamia concluded. "So this is the Black Ops 2 engine."

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Pezza 15th May 2012 11:25 AM


Originally Posted by Juganort (Post 3527617)
Hi all,

if it aint broke, dont fix it.

not like infinity ward if it is broke... break it more.

Also IW is suing activision due to blackops 2 being set in the future.
Why is the little girl company suing their parents? because they want to hog all games set after Vietcong.

EDIt yeah you put in another thread and i didnt see it.. sue me :P

Juganort 15th May 2012 11:44 AM


Originally Posted by Pezza (Post 3527702)
EDIt yeah you put in another thread and i didnt see it.. sue me :P

Lets leave the court battles to IW and Activision :p

Venidici 15th May 2012 11:45 AM


Originally Posted by Pezza (Post 3527702)
sue me :P

OK, PezzA' shall now be known as 'Sue', as per his request :D

I think running a tweaked engine will be fine. Its going to enable more toggers to play the COD game that we miss so much. There'll be no need for PC upgrades.

Fixing up lighting will be good as shadows make for different ingame tactics, especially SND. I only hope they dont totally renew net code as i hope the dedis are still in.

I wouldnt be fussed at all if they realeased exactly the same game, rebadged it and i bought 30 Maps of DLC for $120. Id be sitting in heaven relieved and itching to play it every second of every day, again :_)

Shirocco 15th May 2012 04:37 PM

Nevermind looks, the old engine can't do new things. It won't do Destruction, it's a clumsy way to go about vehicles, terrain changes are out of the question...

Leevers 15th May 2012 05:16 PM


Originally Posted by Venidici (Post 3527728)
OK, PezzA' shall now be known as 'Sue', as per his request :D

Boy named sue - quite fitting really :p

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