325a vs' Hornet

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  1. Ludy

    Ludy Well-Known Member

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    325A - 325a - Star Citizen Wiki

    Hornet - Hornet - Star Citizen Wiki


    Column1Column2Column3
    Stat325AHornet
    Mass20T22T
    Cargo8T4T
    Upgrades66
    Engine TypeFusionFusion
    Engine Mod22
    Main ThrusterTR3TR4
    Maneuvering Thrusters12x TR18x TR2
    Class 1 Weap2x Laser Cannon2x Neutron Gun
    Class 2 Weap1x Mass Driver2x Laser Gatling
    Class 3 Weap2x IR Missle4x IR
    Class 4 WeapNone (can install)None (can install)
    Primary RoleInterceptionDogfighting
    Secondary RoleCourierInterception


    My take on it is that the Hornet is overall a better pure fighter. It has a better default weapons, engine, and thrusters. I think it will out turn the 325A and have a higher in system speed. Once on target I think it will put out more damage. I can't really compare the shields as the stats are not out but I think they would be equal at a minimum and possibly a slight advantage to the Hornet.

    What does the 325A have then besides the lower price? Well it has some cargo space and it will help in the early parts of the game when you might be able to run small trade missions to build up your standings. The other thing to notice is the weight difference. The 2T difference might not mean a whole bunch but considering the main jump engine is the same you would likely have a better fuel economy. This very well might allow you to jump farther before a refuel.

    As of right now I think that hornets would be better served upgrading to get the best short range dogfighting ship possible. The 325A might be better served trying to max their distance and fuel economy. That way The hornets can launch from the Idris and the 325As can jump along with the Idris. This would give us the most protection any time we pulled the big boys out for an op.



    (By the way this is all throwing crap at a wall and seeing what sticks at release. Way to early to really look at the stats but thought this would be a fun discussion.)
     
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    Another equally valid option might be to get a 315P (which presumably has excellent distance and fuel economy, given its intended role as explorer) and upgrade its weapons and shields.
     
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    The 325A can't install a Turret (Class 4). The Hornet however can install 2 class 4 hardpoints (though using up almost all its upgrade/cargo points.)
     
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    +1 for the Hornet, it is the Dedicated, Pure Best Dogfighter atm.

    Now we should keep info known about the Hibernation 14million goal( The ability to make your ship in space go to a stasis before you log out, tucking in the rest compartment, and resuming your journey when you log back).
    If it can only be done with ships having rest compartment, and not with a single sit ships, then ships like hornets, m50s, will have a disadvantage too.

    In terms of escort, a Hornet may need to be hauled in, while the 325a is able to make a jump or two more before refueling.
     
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    Therefore in my opinion the fire-power upgraded Hornets should get priority to be stationed in corvettes over 325a.

    This may be our first fleet group task - help to upgrade ASAP to out team of the dedicated/ SIM pilot experienced pilots with their Hornets to defend our corvettes.
     
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    Hornets are so ugly, but if, until the deadlock of 26 Nov for original and vet backers, there is no other ship, that is an equal, or better dogfighter, than the Hornet, we will have to succumb.

    But all can change, we should keep a close eye to what the Avenger has to offer in the future, or if the 325a can be upgraded so that it holds it's own.

    Theory wise, our squadrons should have most types of ships in stock for call of duty ops for ToG.
     
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  8. Bluesteel

    Bluesteel Star Citizen: Southern Seraphs Officer

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    The 325a targeting system is supposed to be 1st class
     
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    They made the 325a so damn pretty....and the ugly hornet with fans on the sides a better dogfighter...why? Why doesn't the hornet get a less ugly design...how am i supposed to relish or enjoy a dogfight when i see piloting a tin can with fans?

    Brochures are coming though...like the treatment the 300i got, i guess a commercial and the hornet's upgraded versions.

    Rumor in the forums, has it, that Hornet or Freelancer is next and then the Constellation.

    PS: I wanted so bad the 325a to be my default solo ship, or the 315p, but comparisons all favor the M50 and the Hornet, the mosquito that is and the tin can, not fair:(
     
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    Constellation already has a brochure, not sure if its official though. May be a fan made one.
     
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    I guess I must be in the minority, because I don't think the hornet looks at all ugly.
     
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    Everyone is waiting for the updated brochure, the one that will present the upgrades of the Constellation, notably a military one, and possibly one for exploring and one for cargo.
     
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    Oh damn...now I am going to end up owning 3 of them like I did with the 300i..lmao
     
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    It was clear from early on in development cycle that the Hornet would be the main military fighter in SC. That's why the Hornet was my 1st choice during the fundraiser. It would be a ship with fundamental backing from it's developers (as proven by the effort put into the Squadron 42 campaign and its reward system).

    That said, if the goal is communal benefit, the answer to 'Hornet vs i325a' changes. A pack of i325a's will kill a Hornet. The question could be; -How can we consolidate as a operational group and make the best use of our numbers? (-Already addressed to a certain extent by creating this forum. Thank you Rickety!)
    If the Hornet does not have the range or logistic support to operate where needed, using i325a may be the only option (although vulnerable to Vanduul fighters).

    Personally I would love to see game economy that is able to support the Hornet's Kill-on-Demand capabilities. [STRIKE]IF[/STRIKE] WHEN reaching the 15mill stretch goal, the Hornet pilots will be in for a celebration!


    In general I am careful engaging in discussions like this, and I quote Ludy:
    "By the way this is all throwing crap at a wall and seeing what sticks at release." -But until then; do not forget that we all have the voice to influence RSI and the outcome at release.
     
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    Looks like new advanced military version is coming our way:

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    compare to our TOG one (seriously I love your work Zhul):

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    Any thought ?
     
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    They look nearly the same, but the top image has a larger spoiler and VTOL rotors in the wings.
     
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    The top one was an earlier WIP picture, the lower one is the curent design.
     
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    The toughest choice, Rogue vs Brawler.
     
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    Personally i like the look of the hornet, a combat vessel is rugged and practical it looks the way it does because of the task it has to perform.
    it doesn't need sleek looks it must have thick amour and lots of hardpoints, cargo space is for ammunition, those ugly fans on the front keep the targeting systems cool that are working overtime tracking multiple targets.
    Looking at the ship statistics its clear, this is a heavy fighter its designed to cruise up to a capital ship shrugging of turret fire and then disable its systems and engines with its massive fire power.
    The 325a is clearly a light fighter that would get sawn in half pulling that of.
    The big trade off of the hornet is its short legs it can't move without a carrier or refueling ships positioned along the route for beyond "horizon" attacks
     
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    So.....TOG Fleet Escort Carriers with Heavy Combat Hornets?
    And maybe some 325a's built for long range stealth scouting?
     

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