I know nothing about DVD's

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  1. Janus

    Janus Hope is Alive

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    Quant's suggestion is pretty good. It's simply a case of finding out what the transition point is, and testing it out with the player.

    Fox, if you're getting a Sony, the button on the remote will be called "DVD Menu" or something similar - this button on my remote takes me to the (gasp) DVD menu screen. Hit play here, then skip to the next chapter, missing out on the 20th Century Fox/Universal/Touchstone Pictures logos.

    Quant - with a Home Theatre system, try out the sound too when you're auditioning the system. Having 5.1 surround is great. Having 5.1 surround LOUD is fantastic. Test out the system with the correct speaker placement and turn up the sound. The sounds should be clean and crisp, without any muddying/blending of sounds. Of course, this is more difficult to do with the small satellite speakers, but you know what I mean. I've found that the opening sequence (the Omaha Beach landings) of Saving Private Ryan to have excellent 5.1 effects - there are some nice, clear sounds coming out of the rear channels.
     
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    Smash Retired Admin

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    You don't have a reciever for your sound?????

    Kawasaki reciver with DTS and 5.1/6.1 (what I have anyway)
    Boston Acoustics Surround 5.1 speakers (awesome sound)
    Crappy DVD/VCR combo (post christmas I'm upgrading mine too for 1080i)
    Hitachi 65" HDTV
    Sony CD

    Its like having your own theator, but the DVD player does play a relatively important role as my pic looks like crap...but sounds GREAT. Only thing I have left to upgrade on it and I'll be quite happy.

    One warning about the widescreens like mine...if you don't have digital TV or Digital Cable your normal programming will stretch and make everyone look fat :)
     
  3. Janus

    Janus Hope is Alive

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    One thing that I forgot to mention - and this is a feature that I really appreciate on my player.

    When I press "Stop" and switch the player off, the next time I turn it on (if I left the disc in the player) the player will pick up the movie from exactly where I left off.

    I love this feature. :)

    Oh, and about adapting your player to multi-region after purchase. You will nearly always void your warranty by opening the case and adding stuff to it that it didn't come out of the factory with.

    My player is Region 4 - and I haven't had any problems with not being able to play non-Region 4 discs. The only time I've noticed this was when I saw a copy of Transformers: The Movie in a comic shop once, and wanted to get it, but it was Region 1. 2 months later, I came across the same movie, in Region 4, in K-Mart for $10 less. :) So I guess the multi-region capability would only be an issue if you like buying your movies online from the US etc. and getting them a few months early. But, if you've survived this long without a DVD, I don't think this will be an issue. Plus, there's a huge selection out in Region 4 already.
     
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    Renegade Retired Captain

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    Pioneer actually open up all their DVD players and multi format them in-house. It doesn't void your warranty as it is all done by Pioneer. I think you can get into theirs for about $250 (the price has come down by about $100 since i got mine :cry: ). It has just about every feature under the sun including optical outputs for DTS and Dolby Digital.

    DTS is the way to go, and if youare looking at upgrading your amp system later on, definitely go for DTS. Some DVD music doesn't record in DD but is in DTS. (Eagles - Hell Freezes Over is one). My next receiver will definately have it.

    Sticking with the "Big" brands is the safest option as they are in for the long haul and their reputations are built on quality.
     
  5. Father

    Father The Boss Staff Member Administrator Moderator

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    Being a strong audiophile myself you won't find any pioneer or Sony stuff at my place. Not that it's bad stuff but it's certainly not the best.

    www.kef.co.uk
    www.linn.co.uk

    Are probably some of the better speakers, Linn off course being too deer. Kef makes awesome speakers, I have a set of them.

    Best value and probably what I would buy today would be Energy
    http://www.energy-speakers.com/

    There is also Miller & Kreisel
    http://www.mksound.com/
    George Lucas's speakers btw, but they aren't good for music, at least not the home theatre ones, always a bit of a comprimise there.

    That's just speakers but make no mistake there would be no comparison between this and mainstream hifi stuff. My components are mainly Marantz, but Harman Kardon and many others are exellent too.

    http://www.marantz.com/
    http://www.harmankardon.com/

    Onkyo makes some good high end stuff too.

    Start looking around audiophile websites but most importantly start to go out there and listen when it comes to home-theatre. I took 8 months of going around the place before I bought something.
    There are some specialised shops (I know the Melbourne ones) who deal in this stuff and where they take the time to spend a whole afternoon with you in a sound room.
    Some stores won't give you the time of day, especially the ones in major shopping areas.

    A bit off topic here but coming from DVD's but it's an interesting world to get into. As always there is always a lack of money when you walk into it :cry:
     
  6. Bulgroz

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    ?? what's with the "virtual" ??

    Is that the model that was reviewed in the green guide a few weeks ago? It doesn't seem to have 5.1 output, just 2 channels "simulating" surround.
    Check it out further, a DVD without 5.1 output just defeats the purpose ...
    Look at the back panel, there should be at least 6 audio outputs ... at least that's the way it is on mine.
     
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    Wait for it,

    Just got the ALDI Supermarket catalogue today and it lists their DVD player at an impressive $69, including all the options you could ever want. i think that if you press the buttons in the right order it will even do the dishes for you :wink:

    But if you want something reasonable, i have a Pioneer, the new model of which i saw last week at DSE for $218 on special (i paid $350, 12 months ago) with their 3 free DVD offer.
     
  8. Fox

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    This is the model I'm looking at.

    http://shop.ryda.com.au/main_itemdetail.asp?cat=3&item=DVPNS530S

    Isn't the DTS Digital the 5.1 sound experience that is becoming the hotest thing?

    Is DTS and 5.1 different altogether? Sheesh guys - just when I was beginning to think I was starting to understand this stuff ...
     
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    The built in 5.1 decoder with small satellites was crappy, I figured for an extra $500 bucks I could put it towards a better quality Home Theatre / DVD setup with higher quality speakers.

    I am constantly twiddling the aspect ratio on my remote from 4:3 to 14:9 to 16:9 but I can live with that given that my 76cm widescreen has the same viewable image size as my old 4:3 TV when showing full frame movies.

    I am patient on the Home Theatre/DVD thing, I will probably be doing the research when my current DVD player finally stops working.

    My savings were a little depleted after spending $4000 on my PC in July 2003 and $3300 on the Widescreen TV in July 2002. :(
     
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    No DTS is the digital encoding which uses more data to improve the quality of the sound stored on the DVD. Unlike fixed codecs of things such as VCD.

    5.1 is the number of channels. 7.1 is the current latest and greatest. :D

    Look at the links in my earlier post to Tom's Hardware which will help you decode this mystery.
     
  11. Fox

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    If it does - is that 5.1?

    (I think it does but I need to check again)
     
  12. Janus

    Janus Hope is Alive

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    Ok Foxy. Let's clear this up. :)

    DTS is the encoding of the sound.

    5.1 sound is 6 channels of sound. 5 directional channels, plus the sub-woofer. Hence, 5.1. In this case, it would be Center (Front), Front Left, Front Right, Back Left and Back Right.

    For a little while there was 6.1 sound. This added a Center (Back) channel.

    The latest is 7.1. So, in addition to the sub-woofer (the ".1"), you had Center (Front), Front Left, Front Right, Left, Right, Back Left, Back Right.

    For 5.1 sound you should have 6 connectors at the back of your player. 5 directional channels, plus the 6th, the sub-woofer.

    Hope that helps. :)
     
  13. Fox

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    Okay - that makes sense.

    According to the links published here, DTS is like a recording format that improves sound at the expense of CD space. That means you don't get fancy extra's sometimes. That's a CD thing, not a player thing.

    The 5.1 is a player thing and that's what I'm after. To tell, check the back of the player for 6 outlets.

    How am I doing?
     
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    At the risk of increasing the Fox fog, even though the player has the 6 outputs for 5.1, it should also have a co-ax and/or optical digital audio output. Most current surround processor audio amplifiers have a digital input, so you may only use a single digital cable between the player and the audio amplifier - this has all the audio encoded in a digital stream.
    HellDad - special subject: the Bleedin' Obvious
     
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    Janus Hope is Alive

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    Doing well Fox. :)

    Given the choice, I would go for DTS over extras every time. I'll watch movies again, but I would rarely look at extras again.

    Plus, DVDs with DTS will usually have another disc solely for the extra features anyway.
     
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    My current player is starting to play up a touch. I require a DVD player that is macrovision free because I need to run the player through the av's on my video as my tv does not have multiple input's and ill be stuffef if im going to swap cable's at the back of the tv each time I play a dvd.

    Does anybody know of a current model that is macrovision free? They are
    generally hard to find because it is illegal to sell one without macrovision.
     
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    Def,

    if you have a good AV Amp, which has DVD input, Video input, etc..... you should be able to plug the audio and video cables from both the DVD and Video into it and use the amp to switch between them :D
     
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    Yeh that's a good idea. I also love the convenience of just selecting av1 and 2 on my video to select dvd and foxtel respectively, this also allow's all stereo audio to go straight from the video to my surround system.
    There is also the advantage of being able to make a perfect vhs copy of any dvd, ive used this a few time's when ive hired a dvd and not found time to watch it.
     
  19. Fox

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    Well, I've got the Sony that I listed on my very first post.

    I've just plugged it in and it's playing Nemo (does anyone remember the "Aquarium Incident" :roll: ).

    The surround sound is working but I haven't had a chance to fully test it.

    A big thanks to everyone who posted, it all made sense in the end - even those links to external web sites.

    We ended up with a $50 discount by shopping around and then going to Senior Shopper who undercut the lowest price by 5%. $169 in the end.

    I now have a "Web Flicks" subscription that gives me free DVD rentals for a month. 3 at a time posted free each way to me.

    I bet delivery of my first three takes 3 weeks. :evil:

    If anyone here already subscribes to WebFlicks, let me know - I can get you $10 threw the affiliate program by saying "You sent me". My way of saying "Thanks".
     
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    Fox, now that you have had this for a month can you answer a couple of questions about it.

    Is it Macrovision free? (ie. can feed it through the VCR without the pulsing image of the tweaked auto gain control, Also affects TV Projectors).

    I assume it is Region Free out of the box. What about Region Code Enhanced disks?

    How has it had tolerated scratched or badly masterd DVD disks? (ie. Freezes and pauses or pixellation?)

    Has the layer change been noticeable?

    Also Renegade, did the AV switching overcome Macrovision?

    I am looking to buy one for a Sony 51cm TV I just installed in a bedroom.
     

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