Hi All, What is it with these Bettens' brothers? One is plain nasty and the other, Rich, keeps mentioning something about kicking me in the balls. It seems related to joining TOG. Is this some sort of initiation ceremony? That said, I would actually quite like to join TOG. Read the FAQ. I come in as above average on the age (32). I remember playing games on the ZX81, but I quickly moved on to the BBC micro. Halcyon days. Just finished SWG Beta. Cool game btw. Buy it when they finally release it to us non-Americans. You won't regret it. Otherwise I play BF1942, Soldier of Fortune and a little DX2. Now has anyone told you about the crafting in SWG? Phlebus. a.k.a. Adrian Lee somewhere in Singapore.